Lancaster-Shelburne 40844 Public Informational Meeting
Lancaster-Shelburne 40844 Public Informational Meeting
Lancaster-Shelburne 40844 Public Informational Meeting
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Spetelunas, Corey
Good evening everyone.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's a few minutes before 6, but to a few people more time here just want to make sure you guys know my mic's working and we'll get started here shortly.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Right at 6:00 o'clock, when I give people just a couple more minutes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Here I do wanna respect your time.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So like 3 more minutes and we'll, we'll get this thing rolling.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's not a super long presentation, so I don't want people to miss too much of it if possible.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Alright, let's get this show on the road.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I told you three months we'll do 3 minutes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So welcome everyone.
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Spetelunas, Corey
This is the Randolph specific public informational meeting for the Lancaster, Shelburne, 4088, Rumble Strip project, along with two you will notice that I am doing this webinar style.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So you're microphone and video are disabled by default.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You should be able to do chats if you have any questions during the presentation.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Feel free to throw them in the chat at the end of this.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We also have a a hand function.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If you're unfamiliar with teams along the top of your screen, there is a hand that says raise underneath it.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Let me get to the end.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If you want to raise your hands using that button, I can unmute your microphone and turn your video or enable your video.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So if you want to use it, you can turn it on and ask a question in in person if you will.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Otherwise the chat is totally acceptable and we'll get this thing started.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So before we dive too much into this, I know there's not a huge crowd here, but I did wanna do a quick polling question of I can get this thing to work.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Let's see.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Watch.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So you should have a poll that just popped up on your screen.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Curious my first question here is what town do you live in?
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm assuming most of it is Randolph, but give you the opportunity there.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And the second question is, how did you hear about this meeting?
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Spetelunas, Corey
That works due June.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Thank you.
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Spetelunas, Corey
But I have to fill it out, so I love.
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Spetelunas, Corey
For myself.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Shipping that launch maybe it didn't, but that's OK.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So OK, if you guys don't mind, looks like I'm phone questions might not have launched the way I wanted it to.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So I'm feeling my typing in the chat just again where you live and how you heard about the meeting.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I did try to send out some of physical mailings through USPS I that was kind of short notice, so I don't know if that's actually got to you or not.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So kind of curious of that primarily.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So let's get this thing started.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Like I mentioned, this is for the Rumble Strip installation project along US Route 2.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, I should also mention this is being hoarded so and that's although I don't plan on posting this on the website.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If you do have any follow up questions or concerns about that, let me know.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I put my cursor on the PowerPoint.
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Spetelunas, Corey
This will work OK, so as you're well aware, This Is Us Route 2.
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Spetelunas, Corey
This is the project location.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Originally set to go from Lancaster all the way with the border of Vermont along the length of Route 2 for the most part to the border of Maine in Shelburne.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm that had a few.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Requirements and.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Criteria that needed to go along with it, that will we'll talk about, but the project length was entirely over to umm to begin.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So quick agenda, what we're going to discuss today, project purpose and crash information, why?
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Spetelunas, Corey
Why are we putting normal strips up on Route 2?
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm safe.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Safety countermeasure.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Why are rumble strips effective?
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Spetelunas, Corey
Essentially, specific locations that we're proposing to put in rumble strips, the next steps of this project after this meeting and then Q&A comments however you want to communicate.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's fine.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I mean, we'll do that at the end.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So before I dive too much into the purpose of the project, it just have a a question and and you guys are all knowing your, you know, homes presumably.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So I don't necessarily need a chat input or or raising their hand or anything, but I'm just kind of self reflection.
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Spetelunas, Corey
How many people have while they're driving?
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm departed your lane. Right?
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Spetelunas, Corey
How many laid departures have you personally but experienced? Umm.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And then kind of a follow up to that then I'm guessing you know I was asked that same question.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I was like, no, I'm pretty good driver.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Like I don't leave my line.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Ohh follow question the the lane departure isn't necessarily defined by hitting something.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Being involved in a crash or even a near miss with person vehicle object what have you, or even that your vehicle is, you know, maybe fully in a different lane or shoulder.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You know you've left your lane entirely.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Lane departure is defined as your vehicle has in some way gone over the yellow or white line.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Whether that's a wheel width or half your car you have departed your land, right?
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Spetelunas, Corey
And I'm sure most of us have due to whatever you know, you're helping your your kids with something in the back seat.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Just sneeze.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You see something at your window and you just drift any of those apart.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There a reason you drowsy?
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Spetelunas, Corey
Hopefully you're not driving impaired.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Maybe you check your phone.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's it's very, very easy here to leave your lane.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So we're gonna focus on, you know what?
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Spetelunas, Corey
What is the lane departure here?
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Spetelunas, Corey
What?
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Spetelunas, Corey
What are the results?
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Spetelunas, Corey
Uh.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If you crossed the center line, we're talking the W line and all the road, there's really four primary outcomes, if you will.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, you could hit somebody coming the other way.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Head on crash.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You could leave the roadway on the far side of the road and that could lead to one of two options.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Hopefully not.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Your car could overturn.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Or you could, you know, hit something, usually a tree, a guardrail, something of that manner. Umm.
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Spetelunas, Corey
What?
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Spetelunas, Corey
You've crossed the other direction.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You've gone over the white line to your right and you've left the roadway that way, which would have the same ultimate result.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Overturn or impact of the fixed object.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Again, hopefully not, but those are your your potential outcomes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So Amanda, who's on the call with us here, has dug up some some crash data.
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Spetelunas, Corey
They're crash data guru for for uh crash data that's happened between July 2017 and December 2022.
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Spetelunas, Corey
A longer two in the five towns that the follow that route.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Ohh and these are.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I don't wanna say, oh, crashes cause not all crashes are documented.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And this run off the road number there is that little asterisk next to type of crashes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
OK, mentioned that's only for documented crashes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There's plenty of crashes that, you know, maybe it's a vendor Bender, maybe somebody hit a tree and you know it was a ashamed of it.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And didn't call the police.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm it it's not gonna be all but also this right off the road number is for Edge line crosses only.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You know you run off the road to the right and and that's basically you run off the road.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It doesn't include the center line crashes that may have hit another vehicle that that, that, that's that's partially due to our crash data as the whole different discussion.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, but there's a lot of good information still here.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, so if we focus on on Randolph.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Excuse me, I think it's still the percentage of run off the road crashes for the total number of crashes we have documented in Randolph.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's 58% and that that's a huge, huge number.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There's 114 total on US Route 2 through this, you know 5 1/2 year data range, but 58% of them are.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I run off the roads in the town of Randolph.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We break that down one more.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You can see the number of crashes that actually resulted injuries and then these hopefully again are are documented.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There could be more.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There could be less or there might not be less, or there could be more.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Certainly, though, you'll see that there's there's eleven of the 35 crashes we have documented in Randolph that have run off the road.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And again, this does not include crossing the center line and eventually getting a vehicle because those would be much more severe and we we know about them, they just weren't in this dissemination of Theta 11 of them resulted in grass and not injuries.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So 1/3 of the crashes that ran off the road hurt somebody to some degree, whether it was a minor injury, serious injury, or potentially fatal, a third of them result in someone getting injured.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And also see that 48% of the total injury crashes in Randolph resulted in industry again.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Minor injury.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Serious injury.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Fatal injury, but they're all lumped together in injury.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There are further breakdowns, but for this discussion we'll just call it injury.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Something that when I was looking at this data, but I found interesting was if you're looking at this top table here.
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Spetelunas, Corey
The percent run off the road crashes in Gorham and Lancaster are pretty low by 3% and 6% respectively, and a lot of that has to do with the posted speed.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You know, Gorm and Lancaster have some some downtown areas that are closer to, you know, 30 miles an hour or densely populated.
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Spetelunas, Corey
They they naturally, umm, calm the traffic.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Traffic slows down that you know the character of the road has changed enough that people naturally slowed down.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Randolph doesn't have that luxury.
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Spetelunas, Corey
They have wide roads.
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Spetelunas, Corey
They say that you have wide roads.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, not much going on.
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Spetelunas, Corey
A lot of woods houses that back a higher speeds is a is where that equation goes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm also worth noting, 10% of the crashes again from this top table of.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's in my cursor but.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Excuse me.
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Spetelunas, Corey
10% of the total crashes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, I shouldn't say that cause a little under 10%.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We're right off the roads, but 21% of the run off the roads resulted in an injury.
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Spetelunas, Corey
For run off the roads.
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Spetelunas, Corey
When do you play with buttons over there?
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Spetelunas, Corey
So if we have 10% of crashes that are running off the road, but 21% of them are injuring someone, that's that's notable.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If you look at your other crash column, 13% of those result in injury, so the the one of the roads are are injuring at a higher rate than the non run off the roads.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So I wanted to touch.
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Spetelunas, Corey
That's good, but it's just based on some some big fatal statistics across the US.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So nationwide and this is 2023 information nationwide, there were about 44,000 deaths on the road, about 51% of those were due to lane departures.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And I think that's more inclusive of centerline and edgeline, but but that's the number we're looking out there.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm so that results in about 22 1/2 thousand people have died on the roads just from from leaving the road in some manner, leaving the road or crossing the line.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Similarly, in New Hampshire, we had about 130 just last year.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, like to think our our data is a little more uh, reliable in that regard, at least for last year.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And we had 51 attributed to a land departure of some sort which is 39% below the national average.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Sounds good, but that's still 51 people that have died because they they left their lane.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Something important here is that fatal crashes the location of that is very random.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm you could have all the criteria to have a bad crash, uh.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Whether it's high speed, poor geometry, see the comment about lighting.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Maybe it's very dark.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You you could have all of that and you know it's it's never an issue that really presents itself.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Nobody ever dies there.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, but the trash types are predictable, so you would you would predict that something should happen.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There doesn't mean something well, but you would expect in in these locations with these criteria, something will eventually happened here. And uh, what?
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Spetelunas, Corey
We're kind of trying to address here is there is higher.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Chance of something happening, but lane departures in this particular situation along Route 2, then you know some other similar regulations, say 115, that's up in that area.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So three cap real quick, whatever it will strips.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, I'm pretty confident.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Everybody on this call has driven somewhere that has rumble strips.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, but we'll go through the exercise regardless, just to make sure.
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Spetelunas, Corey
On the same page.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So remove strips are a mild element on the pavement that's intended to alert drivers through vibration and sound that their vehicle has left the drive away.
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Spetelunas, Corey
The travel lane.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Sorry, rumble strips can be installed on the shoulder.
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Spetelunas, Corey
The White Edge line or near the yellow center line or on the yellow line?
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Spetelunas, Corey
Our rumble strips are typically on the shoulder offset from the white line by a foot.
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Spetelunas, Corey
This photo is not from New Hampshire, but it was a good representation of the Rumble Strip location in the shoulder, so it's like that was and want to share.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, it's the quick clarifier.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If the rumble strip is placed on top of the pavement pavement marking it then becomes a rumble stripe because you put the pavement marking back on top of the rumble strip and they would also be the stripe.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So so the the point there is that when you repaint over the rumble strip it, it can actually increase the visibility of the pavement marking during wet conditions as well as at night.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And it it kind of increases the life of the pavement marking too, because the plows aren't necessarily scraping it up every time they pass.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, the drivers drive on the line.
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Spetelunas, Corey
They're not getting that wear and tear on it.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, so it it does kind of have a a side benefit of of longevity.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So so why?
0:22:29.750 --> 0:22:30.680
Spetelunas, Corey
Why rumble strips, right?
0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:39.990
Spetelunas, Corey
There's handfuls of different kind of measures that we could we can implement our too to try to get people to not run off the road, right.
0:22:41.210 --> 0:22:42.860
Spetelunas, Corey
There's a guardrail everywhere.
0:22:42.950 --> 0:22:49.720
Spetelunas, Corey
We good make the shoulders wider because down post the speed limit everywhere.
0:22:50.710 --> 0:22:56.200
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, there's there's very different levels of effectiveness for that.
0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:29.910
Spetelunas, Corey
So we we base a lot of our our data analysis on a document called the Highway Safety Manual, which which essentially goes into some of that predictive crash rate stuff that I was talking about Lego where the fatals are random, but the crash locations are the crash types or not as well as something called the crash modification factor, which is what this first bullet kind of addresses.
0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:32.10
Spetelunas, Corey
They're they are.
0:23:32.140 --> 0:23:37.20
Spetelunas, Corey
These rumble strips are are proven to reduce fatal and injured crashes.
0:23:38.100 --> 0:23:40.720
Spetelunas, Corey
I mean, these are these are nationwide numbers.
0:23:42.120 --> 0:23:44.400
Spetelunas, Corey
I do have a New Hampshire example later that we can look at.
0:23:46.870 --> 0:23:54.20
Spetelunas, Corey
But there's the been documented to reduce head on crashes by anywhere between 44 and 64%.
0:23:56.180 --> 0:23:57.850
Spetelunas, Corey
I mean that's that's huge.
0:23:58.500 --> 0:24:4.510
Spetelunas, Corey
You save one in every two people from crossing that center line to hit somebody head on.
0:24:5.630 --> 0:24:9.0
Spetelunas, Corey
That's you know, how many lives are you saving that?
0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:20.790
Spetelunas, Corey
And following that, the next line, the reduction in single vehicle roadway departures likely crossing over the shoulder and leaving the roadway.
0:24:21.910 --> 0:24:24.830
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh reduce reduction of 13 to 51.
0:24:25.950 --> 0:24:30.870
Spetelunas, Corey
I know it's a very big range, but it's also dependent on a lot of different factors.
0:24:31.860 --> 0:24:32.210
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh-huh.
0:24:33.500 --> 0:24:38.510
Spetelunas, Corey
Roadway Wests roadway types speed plays into it.
0:24:40.140 --> 0:24:41.360
Spetelunas, Corey
How many vehicles are on the road?
0:24:42.500 --> 0:24:46.750
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, there's there's a lot of different factors that will impact that number.
0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:50.660
Spetelunas, Corey
But yeah, but really any reduction is fantastic.
0:24:52.620 --> 0:25:1.700
Spetelunas, Corey
The low cost rumble strips are not that expensive to put in and and they they save lives very effectively.
0:25:2.880 --> 0:25:3.650
Spetelunas, Corey
I'm sure anybody.
0:25:3.660 --> 0:25:9.190
Spetelunas, Corey
That's in a rumble strip knows that they had a rumble strip and they they likely correct it.
0:25:10.990 --> 0:25:11.330
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.390
Spetelunas, Corey
And also there's a short construction exposure.
0:25:16.140 --> 0:25:20.780
Spetelunas, Corey
So construction is is mobile, uh, it doesn't take that long.
0:25:22.50 --> 0:25:24.990
Spetelunas, Corey
Traffic is still moving for the most part.
0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:26.670
Spetelunas, Corey
Yeah, it's down to one lane.
0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:29.270
Spetelunas, Corey
It's very short.
0:25:30.810 --> 0:25:34.420
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, inconvenience I guess.
0:25:37.80 --> 0:25:45.550
Spetelunas, Corey
There's a couple of links down here this this presentation will be posted online and if you're interested you can investigate these links.
0:25:50.860 --> 0:25:51.90
Spetelunas, Corey
Sure.
0:25:57.670 --> 0:26:1.640
Spetelunas, Corey
OK, so I mentioned earlier that rumble strips have have requirements.
0:26:3.650 --> 0:26:8.860
Spetelunas, Corey
The roadway needs to meet several requirements in order to qualify for almost trips.
0:26:8.870 --> 0:26:12.300
Spetelunas, Corey
Essentially, the first two are.
0:26:12.510 --> 0:26:14.960
Spetelunas, Corey
The road has to be posted at least 40 miles an hour.
0:26:15.810 --> 0:26:18.940
Spetelunas, Corey
Any lower than that and it's it's not on the list for rumbles.
0:26:19.990 --> 0:26:30.330
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, and the payment has to be in good condition, so that point kind of goes back to why I originally sent the project originally, went from Lancaster to Shelburne.
0:26:31.570 --> 0:26:37.280
Spetelunas, Corey
I'm the project no longer includes Lancaster and and that's because the Batman condition.
0:26:44.780 --> 0:26:58.590
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm so to install a centerline rumble strip along the roadway it has to meet both those first two criteria we mentioned, but it also has to be at least 28 feet wide from after payment to edge of pavement.
0:27:0.720 --> 0:27:0.990
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh.
0:27:1.0 --> 0:27:3.510
Spetelunas, Corey
Turns out install a shoulder rumble strip.
0:27:4.60 --> 0:27:9.910
Spetelunas, Corey
Let's have at least a minimum 6 foot shoulder width, and that width actually widens out to 7 feet.
0:27:10.120 --> 0:27:18.30
Spetelunas, Corey
If there's a guard rail there, and that's because of my school traffic, the one to still accommodate space for the bicycles to be.
0:27:20.100 --> 0:27:24.280
Spetelunas, Corey
And not have to drive over the rumble service because that the whole that one.
0:27:29.850 --> 0:27:39.490
Spetelunas, Corey
So there are two types of rumble strips and conventionally this type would be the type of rumble strip that we would install.
0:27:40.980 --> 0:27:42.60
Spetelunas, Corey
They're rectangular.
0:27:42.70 --> 0:27:43.370
Spetelunas, Corey
Corrugated rumble strips.
0:27:43.780 --> 0:27:50.520
Spetelunas, Corey
They're 12 inch pattern, 7 inch mill with a 5 inch break kinda like that image on the bottom there.
0:27:52.410 --> 0:27:54.900
Spetelunas, Corey
And and still they're still out.
0:27:55.10 --> 0:27:55.340
Spetelunas, Corey
Right.
0:27:55.350 --> 0:27:55.940
Spetelunas, Corey
You'll hit them.
0:27:55.990 --> 0:27:56.640
Spetelunas, Corey
You'll know it.
0:27:57.70 --> 0:27:58.540
Spetelunas, Corey
You feel it in the car there.
0:27:58.730 --> 0:27:59.570
Spetelunas, Corey
I mean, they're effective.
0:28:0.880 --> 0:28:16.790
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, I also wanna mention I mentioned the bicyclists in the last slide, our rumble strip patterns are, uh, a 60 foot cycle total and that would be 48 feet of a milled rumble strip.
0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:33.210
Spetelunas, Corey
Then with a 12 foot break for bicyclists, whether there's something in the shoulder that you to avoid or you know they need to make a turn, you know, whatever the the case may be, they can get out of the shoulder and not have to drive over the rumble strips.
0:28:37.460 --> 0:28:42.510
Spetelunas, Corey
Our second type of rumble strip, it's a sinusoidal rumble strip.
0:28:43.350 --> 0:28:46.760
Spetelunas, Corey
The husband, affectionately dubbed the Mumble strip.
0:28:48.380 --> 0:28:55.460
Spetelunas, Corey
This is kind of a sinusoidal pattern, a wave, if you will no 14 inch cycle.
0:28:56.780 --> 0:29:10.90
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, same half an inch depth at its maximum, but these are designed to produce less exterior noise than than the previous version.
0:29:11.900 --> 0:29:23.640
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm these are installed in several places across the state, but you Hampshire 28 and Chichester 102 and ran and Raymond.
0:29:23.700 --> 0:29:30.780
Spetelunas, Corey
Excuse me 125 in Plasto 9 in Hillsboro the there's several others.
0:29:30.790 --> 0:29:36.620
Spetelunas, Corey
There's still relatively new, umm, but they're they're still just as effective.
0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:48.950
Spetelunas, Corey
So this is kind of the money slide and I'm, I'm sure the one that most people are are interested in the decibel level.
0:29:49.20 --> 0:29:51.730
Spetelunas, Corey
Ohh, how noisy are these rumble strips?
0:29:55.570 --> 0:30:2.350
Spetelunas, Corey
So before we get to the big info, we gotta kinda introduce decibels for anyone that isn't a sound engineer.
0:30:4.0 --> 0:30:10.220
Spetelunas, Corey
So it's a change between one to three decimals is is barely noticeable to the human ear.
0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:13.750
Spetelunas, Corey
Ohh, little bit larger than that.
0:30:13.890 --> 0:30:15.190
Spetelunas, Corey
5 decibel change.
0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:16.730
Spetelunas, Corey
You'll notice it.
0:30:17.0 --> 0:30:17.870
Spetelunas, Corey
It'll perk up.
0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.10
Spetelunas, Corey
You might look in the direction of whatever the noise is.
0:30:21.980 --> 0:30:26.660
Spetelunas, Corey
10 decibel level change is essentially doubling the noise level.
0:30:27.820 --> 0:30:39.570
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, and the way it's gonna works is if if the decibel level is, say, 20 and something makes a 30 decibel level noise, it's going to sound twice as loud.
0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:41.160
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:30:41.420 --> 0:30:50.580
Spetelunas, Corey
Similarly, if something is at 70 decibels, and then you hear something at 80, it's still again twice as loud.
0:30:51.90 --> 0:30:57.720
Spetelunas, Corey
There's no ratio involved there, it's just every group of 10 is doubled.
0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:3.240
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, similarly, every reduction in 10 is cut in half.
0:31:5.570 --> 0:31:8.370
Spetelunas, Corey
So this is taken from.
0:31:10.470 --> 0:31:17.630
Spetelunas, Corey
Some FHW a research that was done and I wanna point out a couple lines here.
0:31:19.570 --> 0:31:22.180
Spetelunas, Corey
Road noise at 65 miles an hour.
0:31:23.30 --> 0:31:33.610
Spetelunas, Corey
If you're standing at 200 feet away, I will be about 68 decibels, and and that's gonna vary depending on your vehicle. Umm.
0:31:36.20 --> 0:31:38.790
Spetelunas, Corey
I wanna say speed, but it's 65 miles an hour.
0:31:39.340 --> 0:31:40.950
Spetelunas, Corey
You're you're pavement type.
0:31:41.0 --> 0:31:41.770
Spetelunas, Corey
You know, stuff like that.
0:31:42.980 --> 0:31:46.470
Spetelunas, Corey
So it's not if you got a decibel level reader.
0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:48.330
Spetelunas, Corey
I'm sure there's more scientific games than that.
0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:50.550
Spetelunas, Corey
Then you stood 200 feet away.
0:31:51.220 --> 0:31:53.70
Spetelunas, Corey
You had your friend go 60 pound miles an hour.
0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:55.880
Spetelunas, Corey
It might not hit 68, but it'd be pretty close.
0:31:58.910 --> 0:32:7.40
Spetelunas, Corey
It's next one I wanna point out is passenger vehicle strike on a sinusoidal rumble strip, which is that way.
0:32:7.50 --> 0:32:15.380
Spetelunas, Corey
The one we just looked at at 60 miles an hour, most at Randolph I think is 50 to 55.
0:32:17.230 --> 0:32:26.310
Spetelunas, Corey
So although people really shouldn't be going 60 it it wouldn't surprise me if people do 60 and you'll notice that that's a decibel level change of six.
0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:38.460
Spetelunas, Corey
So based on what we just talked about, you'll notice it now five is relatively noticeable, 6 will be a little more readily noticeable. Umm.
0:32:40.850 --> 0:32:41.510
Spetelunas, Corey
Still earlier.
0:32:43.570 --> 0:32:45.150
Spetelunas, Corey
I'm moving on one step higher.
0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:53.720
Spetelunas, Corey
Ask him to vehicle strike on Rumble strip, which is the conventional rectangular ones about 55 miles an hour.
0:32:54.190 --> 0:32:55.310
Spetelunas, Corey
Is that 81?
0:32:56.810 --> 0:33:3.710
Spetelunas, Corey
So you'll notice, even though we're going 10 miles an hour less than our our baseline at 68.
0:33:5.120 --> 0:33:7.850
Spetelunas, Corey
Ohh, we're making 13 decibel levels.
0:33:8.80 --> 0:33:23.530
Spetelunas, Corey
More noise and and we've established that that is essentially twice as loud and more so because, you know, 1310 is double 13's more wasn't double the scientific way, I describe that.
0:33:27.730 --> 0:33:29.780
Spetelunas, Corey
So I I thought that was that was interesting.
0:33:30.390 --> 0:33:31.240
Spetelunas, Corey
I don't wanna.
0:33:31.250 --> 0:33:38.370
Spetelunas, Corey
I don't wanna try to sell some sort of rumble strips as a, you know, they're silent.
0:33:39.410 --> 0:33:40.120
Spetelunas, Corey
Rumble strips.
0:33:40.390 --> 0:33:47.150
Spetelunas, Corey
They they're less quiet, umm and and they're certainly better than the rectangular ones.
0:33:48.460 --> 0:33:50.40
Spetelunas, Corey
I did not mention and I should.
0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.630
Spetelunas, Corey
All of Route 2 we are proposing these sinusoidal rumble strips.
0:33:56.620 --> 0:34:0.830
Spetelunas, Corey
Our current guidance typically says the center line.
0:34:2.180 --> 0:34:3.160
Spetelunas, Corey
I know the backwards.
0:34:3.980 --> 0:34:8.390
Spetelunas, Corey
I think it's a center line would be the rectangular rumbles bomb.
0:34:9.320 --> 0:34:17.430
Spetelunas, Corey
But but I mean we we understand the noise concerns and at the they're virtually the same price and virtually just as effective.
0:34:18.380 --> 0:34:28.670
Spetelunas, Corey
So we've we've decided to go strictly sinusoidal on this particular project, which should be a a noticeable noise reduction over the conventional rumble strips.
0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:31.940
Spetelunas, Corey
And then just for comparison.
0:34:33.970 --> 0:34:41.80
Spetelunas, Corey
I know this is a pretty heavily trucked route, but Jake break is about 105 decibels.
0:34:42.470 --> 0:34:47.60
Spetelunas, Corey
I mean, you're into almost beyond a jet plane that's significant.
0:34:49.510 --> 0:34:59.710
Spetelunas, Corey
That a motorcycle could be up to 116 uh might would not be surprised if that's not a daily noise up up in that region of Route 2.
0:35:1.90 --> 0:35:6.470
Spetelunas, Corey
So I just wanted to gonna present those as as comparisons if you will.
0:35:8.710 --> 0:35:9.90
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:35:9.250 --> 0:35:10.670
Spetelunas, Corey
Here's the New Hampshire example.
0:35:11.650 --> 0:35:19.590
Spetelunas, Corey
So back in 2011 I'm some rumble strips were installed on 11 miles of New Hampshire, 16 in Wakefield.
0:35:21.580 --> 0:35:27.80
Spetelunas, Corey
This graph will we'll tricky to to the cipher, so I'm gonna kind of walk through it.
0:35:27.90 --> 0:35:27.860
Spetelunas, Corey
Piece meal a little bit.
0:35:29.430 --> 0:35:35.200
Spetelunas, Corey
Essentially, the left half of the graph that says 2002, 2010.
0:35:37.310 --> 0:35:40.160
Spetelunas, Corey
Got a pretty consistent volume of traffic.
0:35:40.710 --> 0:35:45.300
Spetelunas, Corey
These blue boxes are the ADT which stands for annual average daily traffic.
0:35:46.570 --> 0:35:53.230
Spetelunas, Corey
So on an average day, this would be how much traffic you would get from million vehicle miles traveled.
0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:53.460
Spetelunas, Corey
Sorry.
0:35:54.770 --> 0:35:55.160
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:35:55.590 --> 0:36:6.10
Spetelunas, Corey
So higher higher traffic and the amount of driving they're doing essentially and it held pretty steady through this nine year period.
0:36:7.260 --> 0:36:19.510
Spetelunas, Corey
We installed rumble strips in 2011 on the the vehicle miles traveled stayed relatively the same and as it spiked around 2018-2019.
0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:28.700
Spetelunas, Corey
And these little orange boxes down here are the crash rate per year really get into that in just a second.
0:36:28.710 --> 0:36:37.530
Spetelunas, Corey
But I just wanted to acknowledge how much the traffic went up at the end of this after rumble strips were installed.
0:36:38.570 --> 0:36:45.850
Spetelunas, Corey
I mean, we're 27 million mile vehicles traveled higher in these last two years.
0:36:45.860 --> 0:36:47.480
Spetelunas, Corey
The way our for the majority of the rest of this chart.
0:36:50.600 --> 0:37:5.630
Spetelunas, Corey
So these are the orange bars from the previous slide, just with the traffic removed because I can show you this all day, but at the end it's it's a really little orange bar at the bottom that looks almost the same across the whole axis of that grid.
0:37:7.840 --> 0:37:11.510
Spetelunas, Corey
So taking the traffic out, we'll keep that in mind.
0:37:11.780 --> 0:37:23.730
Spetelunas, Corey
But now we can look at the crash rate and he noticed the crash rate for this before rumble strip insulation period was was almost six 5.8 crashes a year from.
0:37:24.500 --> 0:37:26.640
Spetelunas, Corey
And again, this is just run off the road crashes.
0:37:27.340 --> 0:37:33.210
Spetelunas, Corey
This does not have centerlines because of, uh, crash data limitations and stuff.
0:37:37.270 --> 0:37:41.400
Spetelunas, Corey
So we spiked to, you know, 8.4 in 2005.
0:37:41.830 --> 0:37:43.80
Spetelunas, Corey
A lot of these are pretty high.
0:37:43.90 --> 0:37:52.530
Spetelunas, Corey
Had a couple of years of I'm more random, you know, successful people weren't running off the road years.
0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:59.510
Spetelunas, Corey
Brummel strip get installed in 2011 in the in the green dashed box.
0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:7.410
Spetelunas, Corey
Here then, those immediately afterwards you know 4.7 the very first year is the highest it's been.
0:38:8.870 --> 0:38:13.340
Spetelunas, Corey
And ever since that, I mean you, you go over 4 in the last two years.
0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:27.700
Spetelunas, Corey
We acknowledge the traffic is exceptionally higher and those last two years, so it makes sense that it would go up a little bit, but it's still drastically lower than the pre rumble stone condition.
0:38:29.10 --> 0:38:35.460
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, you know, 2.6 crashes on average per year without considering sideline crashes.
0:38:36.780 --> 0:38:37.900
Spetelunas, Corey
Is is pretty significant.
0:38:42.380 --> 0:38:44.990
Spetelunas, Corey
So I did just wanna touch on specific locations.
0:38:46.130 --> 0:38:47.960
Spetelunas, Corey
There were planning on installing these.
0:38:48.90 --> 0:38:48.840
Spetelunas, Corey
This is Jefferson.
0:38:48.890 --> 0:38:57.140
Spetelunas, Corey
I don't know if anyone's from Jefferson that's in attendance tonight, but umm, primarily around uh, 115.
0:38:59.140 --> 0:39:14.130
Spetelunas, Corey
There is a current gap if you are familiar with an upcoming project between Jefferson and Randolph, there is where skipping that portion, that portion should have rumble strips installed as part of that project.
0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:20.260
Spetelunas, Corey
Which I think is a 2026 construction, but that could be delayed.
0:39:23.430 --> 0:39:36.20
Spetelunas, Corey
Getting into Randolph, there's more where we're looking here spanning I guess for identifier sake, most of the length of uh Durand Rd.
0:39:38.20 --> 0:39:43.80
Spetelunas, Corey
We can come back to this if this more questions about specifics. Umm.
0:39:43.210 --> 0:39:44.930
Spetelunas, Corey
Then show Bird and Gorham.
0:39:45.260 --> 0:39:46.280
Spetelunas, Corey
How much smaller map?
0:39:47.330 --> 0:39:49.70
Spetelunas, Corey
Because there aren't a lot more going on.
0:39:51.130 --> 0:39:52.120
Spetelunas, Corey
I should note that.
0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.40
Spetelunas, Corey
Because we're in Randolph here, 2A and 2B.
0:39:57.790 --> 0:40:0.670
Spetelunas, Corey
My legend are just center line.
0:40:1.630 --> 0:40:10.690
Spetelunas, Corey
Rumble strips, signing sort of rumble strips the rest of these CD halfway through I our son online and shoulder rumble strips.
0:40:15.510 --> 0:40:16.150
Spetelunas, Corey
So next steps.
0:40:17.220 --> 0:40:22.580
Spetelunas, Corey
So this project is the public outreach was a little delayed for this one.
0:40:22.590 --> 0:40:29.750
Spetelunas, Corey
I apologize, umm, the project did advertise on March 12th, which was last Tuesday.
0:40:30.770 --> 0:40:33.420
Spetelunas, Corey
Ohm, it does have a three week bid period.
0:40:33.430 --> 0:40:37.390
Spetelunas, Corey
So although that is out for bids?
0:40:37.910 --> 0:40:43.430
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm it is modifiable, so anything that happens here it's not.
0:40:43.550 --> 0:40:46.690
Spetelunas, Corey
It's not a foregone conclusion that, OK, the DOT did this.
0:40:47.290 --> 0:40:48.480
Spetelunas, Corey
This is a waste of time.
0:40:48.970 --> 0:40:50.20
Spetelunas, Corey
No, no, we can.
0:40:50.370 --> 0:40:50.880
Spetelunas, Corey
I don't.
0:40:50.890 --> 0:41:17.870
Spetelunas, Corey
We're not gonna be adding rumble strips, but if there's areas that we're concerned about rumble strips being proposed, and now that we really wanna remove after this discussion, umm or even the Shelbourne one next week if people wanna hear their spiel again and and talk in person, we'll be in Shelburne next Wednesday at their town hall at 6.
0:41:20.0 --> 0:41:24.750
Spetelunas, Corey
Between this meeting and that meeting, we can still edit the plans if we need to.
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Spetelunas, Corey
The plan is to construct this this spring and summer.
0:41:31.150 --> 0:41:33.80
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, they March now.
0:41:33.90 --> 0:41:38.110
Spetelunas, Corey
It's probably late June, early July time frame.
0:41:38.910 --> 0:41:41.870
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, they probably be eligible to start working on this.
0:41:43.100 --> 0:41:43.460
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:41:44.60 --> 0:41:51.510
Spetelunas, Corey
And then kind of a post construction step would be for us to basically does determine how effective this is.
0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:58.20
Spetelunas, Corey
We have some data that we went through during the beginning of this presentation that I'm showed what's happening today.
0:41:59.330 --> 0:42:13.120
Spetelunas, Corey
So similar to, you know, this information in Wakefield, we we'd be just as interested to see what happens, you know in the post five years or so period here.
0:42:15.700 --> 0:42:18.990
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, that's pretty much what I got for you.
0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:21.750
Spetelunas, Corey
There's my contact information.
0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:38.130
Spetelunas, Corey
If you have any questions that come up after this as well as the QR code to the project website, this presentation as I mentioned will be umm placed on the website tomorrow.
0:42:38.180 --> 0:42:47.690
Spetelunas, Corey
I hope as well as the links to the maps and everything like that, so I'm gonna open this up to questions.
0:42:48.250 --> 0:42:48.690
Spetelunas, Corey
Comments.
0:42:48.700 --> 0:42:53.540
Spetelunas, Corey
We'll go through the chat after people are done asking with their hand up.
0:42:55.380 --> 0:43:0.610
Spetelunas, Corey
I I think a lot of people have their name on their, you know, identified already.
0:43:0.620 --> 0:43:6.820
Spetelunas, Corey
But when you ask a question, if you could just state your name and we'll we'll go from there.
0:43:7.660 --> 0:43:14.310
Spetelunas, Corey
So June I have unmuted your at least allowed you to unmute yourself if you'd like to ask a question.
0:43:17.430 --> 0:43:17.940
June Hammond Rowan
Hi Corey.
0:43:17.950 --> 0:43:19.510
June Hammond Rowan
Thank you for the presentation.
0:43:19.750 --> 0:43:19.940
Spetelunas, Corey
Hi.
0:43:20.750 --> 0:43:22.680
June Hammond Rowan
Hi I'm June Hammond.
0:43:30.150 --> 0:43:30.620
Spetelunas, Corey
Yep, Yep.
0:43:22.690 --> 0:43:37.440
June Hammond Rowan
Rowan and I just wanted to let you know that on the Randolph Planning Board, I'm chair of the Randolph Planning Board and we discussed this proposal for what we knew about it based on on the limited information.
0:43:37.450 --> 0:43:42.220
June Hammond Rowan
But I we the planning board approved a letter that we're going to send in.
0:43:44.450 --> 0:43:44.620
Spetelunas, Corey
Yep.
0:43:50.650 --> 0:43:50.820
Spetelunas, Corey
Sure.
0:43:42.290 --> 0:43:51.640
June Hammond Rowan
I'll send it in tonight or tomorrow morning to William Cass's, Commissioner, and will send it to you, if obviously, I just want to read it, if you can bear with me, just so you have the information.
0:43:51.650 --> 0:43:53.380
June Hammond Rowan
Everybody else on here has it too.
0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:54.380
Spetelunas, Corey
Sure.
0:43:53.850 --> 0:44:1.810
June Hammond Rowan
So, dear Commissioner Cass, the Randolph, New Hampshire Planning Board is aware of the New Hampshire Department of transportations plan to install rumble strips on US Route 2.
0:44:2.560 --> 0:44:6.770
June Hammond Rowan
The Planning Board discussed this proposal at their meeting on March 7th, 2024.
0:44:6.880 --> 0:44:13.20
June Hammond Rowan
While we acknowledge that rumble strips may be effective in reducing roadway departure crashes, we offer the following comments.
0:44:13.620 --> 0:44:16.210
June Hammond Rowan
Number one, noise impacts from rumble strips.
0:44:16.350 --> 0:44:28.10
June Hammond Rowan
The Planning Board is concerned about noise impacts from rumble strips on Route 2 in Randolph at the December 3rd, 2020 online net New Hampshire DOT Public Information meeting about the proposal.
0:44:28.110 --> 0:44:36.670
June Hammond Rowan
A number of property owners expressed concern about the current noise from USB two and also future noise generated by vehicles traveling over rumble strips.
0:44:37.60 --> 0:44:45.310
June Hammond Rowan
The Randolph Valley is surrounded by steep slopes, sound from Route 2 carries up slope and can be heard far away on both sides of the valley, even through wooded areas.
0:44:45.780 --> 0:44:50.470
June Hammond Rowan
Property owners in Randolph have noted noise impacts from US Route 2 for years.
0:44:50.880 --> 0:45:0.670
June Hammond Rowan
In fact, the 2001 US Route 2 Corridor study, completed by VHP engineers, documented that many residents expressed concern about noise over 20 years later.
0:45:0.680 --> 0:45:1.650
June Hammond Rowan
This remains a concern.
0:45:2.430 --> 0:45:13.650
June Hammond Rowan
The Planning Board is aware that noise impacts have led DOT to remove rumble strips in several location in New Hampshire, and we hope this will be an option if rumble strips are installed and property owners are adversely impacted.
0:45:14.530 --> 0:45:21.240
June Hammond Rowan
#2 bicycle safety the Planning Board hopes that HOT will consider bicycles and planning for rumble strips on US Route 2.
0:45:21.710 --> 0:45:31.420
June Hammond Rowan
Cyclists often ride on the shoulders of US Route 2 and rumble strips can be dangerous in areas where the shoulder is narrow and or there is guardrail #3 passing zones.
0:45:31.510 --> 0:45:34.820
June Hammond Rowan
Rumble strips and passing zones create noise from passing maneuvers.
0:45:35.310 --> 0:45:46.820
June Hammond Rowan
The Planning board asks NHD OT to consider reducing the amount of passing zones on US route 2IN Randolph to both enhance safety, which is really the goal and minimize noise impacts.
0:45:46.830 --> 0:45:53.780
June Hammond Rowan
Specifically, we ask and HOT to remove the passing zones along US Route 2 at and near Appalachia parking lot.
0:45:54.170 --> 0:46:3.260
June Hammond Rowan
Appalachia parking lot is often full and vehicles parked on the shoulder and or gravel areas along the South side of Route 2 for at least a half a mile to both the east and West.
0:46:3.750 --> 0:46:16.100
June Hammond Rowan
It is dangerous to pull out on, pull on into, or out of Appalachia parking area when site distance is limited due to cars lined up along US Route 2 allowing passing in this area only adds to the hazard.
0:46:17.410 --> 0:46:27.720
June Hammond Rowan
The US Federal Highway Administration states quote the best rumble strip, application design and placement on one roadway may not fit the context of another roadway.
0:46:28.70 --> 0:46:35.920
June Hammond Rowan
The Randolph Planning Board asks and HOT to carefully consider the specific context of our community when finalizing Rumble Strip plans.
0:46:36.290 --> 0:46:38.730
June Hammond Rowan
Sincerely, the Randolph, New Hampshire Planning Board.
0:46:39.70 --> 0:46:39.440
June Hammond Rowan
Thank you.
0:46:42.140 --> 0:46:43.170
Spetelunas, Corey
No, I appreciate that.
0:46:43.180 --> 0:46:43.750
Spetelunas, Corey
Thank you.
0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:48.310
Spetelunas, Corey
And I we spoke on the phone recently about this 2020 meeting that happened.
0:46:48.940 --> 0:46:58.220
Spetelunas, Corey
I did find a few comments from that which I it it sounds similar to the the concerns that that letter will express.
0:47:0.390 --> 0:47:10.760
Spetelunas, Corey
I I do hope that the bicycle concern is is less umm, that's what I tell you and the details, not how fantastic.
0:47:10.770 --> 0:47:12.190
Spetelunas, Corey
So it's hiding in the back here.
0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:18.680
Spetelunas, Corey
I'm just noting kind of the the typical layout of our rumble strips to accommodate for bicycles.
0:47:19.510 --> 0:47:19.970
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:47:20.390 --> 0:47:27.310
Spetelunas, Corey
This kind of in conjunction with the umm the width requirement of the shoulder of 6 feet.
0:47:28.340 --> 0:47:28.720
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:47:29.80 --> 0:47:37.90
Spetelunas, Corey
So if if we were to do the math here, umm, go to but everyone's eyes flipping through these slides.
0:47:45.940 --> 0:47:46.190
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:47:47.740 --> 0:47:58.680
Spetelunas, Corey
So the distance from for for bicyclists in particular here on the distance from the white line to the edge of this rumble strip is 1 foot the width of the rumble strip is another foot.
0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:16.10
Spetelunas, Corey
So by having that 6 foot requirement from Edge line to edge of pavement, I'm still gives bicyclists 4 feet, or in the case of guardrail 5 feet, because that that requirement was up umm to 7 feet total.
0:48:16.340 --> 0:48:17.820
Spetelunas, Corey
So they'll still have 4 feet.
0:48:18.670 --> 0:48:27.560
Spetelunas, Corey
We'll have 5 feet in front of guardrail, but there's something called shy distance that you don't wanna ride too close to the guardrail because you might snag your pedal or hand the bar or something.
0:48:27.570 --> 0:48:30.330
Spetelunas, Corey
And we don't wanna have people wipe out and fall into the road.
0:48:31.450 --> 0:48:35.840
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm and the the minimum acceptable width for a bicycle of per.
0:48:36.190 --> 0:48:45.470
Spetelunas, Corey
I think it's hostile to the federal some guidance agency is is a four foot shoulder for bicyclist bicyclists.
0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:46.560
Spetelunas, Corey
So so that.
0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:56.200
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, that distance is the width available for bikes is is maintained if the shoulder is less than six feet.
0:48:57.20 --> 0:49:20.470
Spetelunas, Corey
We're not putting rumble strips in, so no concern about the narrow shoulders to me, if if that does happen and before these actually physically get installed, I I would presume I would be one of the people to go out there to actually approve the layout before they actually start mailing out the payment of to do this work.
0:49:24.550 --> 0:49:30.10
Spetelunas, Corey
The noise is, but yeah, rumble strips are are going to generate noise.
0:49:30.580 --> 0:49:36.140
Spetelunas, Corey
That's that's half of their function is that, you know, vibrate, vibrate the car and and make noise.
0:49:37.740 --> 0:49:50.930
Spetelunas, Corey
These sinusoidal ones like we went through will make less noise if if you're sharing the roadway now from your house, you're you're going to hear the rumble strips.
0:49:53.510 --> 0:50:6.80
Spetelunas, Corey
I I think the the view I want to try to impart is that the IT it shouldn't be viewed as a a nuisance noise and I know that's difficult.
0:50:6.700 --> 0:50:7.80
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:50:7.890 --> 0:50:12.990
Spetelunas, Corey
Because if if somebody's hitting it and hearing that noise it it's because somebody left their lane.
0:50:14.940 --> 0:50:23.60
Spetelunas, Corey
I mean, the alternative is that they're not there and and I'm sure the majority of people self correct, you know pretty quickly.
0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:34.190
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, but that one person that doesn't is going to hit somebody head on and cause a lot of damage or or go off the road and it's.
0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.630
Spetelunas, Corey
But it's kind of been coined as the sound of safety.
0:50:39.380 --> 0:50:43.750
Spetelunas, Corey
Not that that what's a better spin on it for people to have to listen to it on the regular?
0:50:44.700 --> 0:50:49.10
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, but just it's it's a, that's it.
0:50:49.80 --> 0:50:57.270
Spetelunas, Corey
You know, we mentioned it's it's safety essentially we're trying to keep people on the road and getting to their destination safely.
0:50:59.60 --> 0:51:4.500
Spetelunas, Corey
The passing zone, especially at Appalachian, I I did talk to a few people around here about this.
0:51:5.550 --> 0:51:6.0
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:51:7.310 --> 0:51:17.40
Spetelunas, Corey
The passing zone I think would be difficult to justify the removal of only because that portion is so.
0:51:19.720 --> 0:51:20.170
Spetelunas, Corey
Open.
0:51:20.300 --> 0:51:32.760
Spetelunas, Corey
I guess it's it's determined by the the site distance based on the speed and there's this plenty of open space there for the vehicles on the roadway.
0:51:34.80 --> 0:51:34.630
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh.
0:51:34.670 --> 0:51:38.330
Spetelunas, Corey
If if Appalachian wasn't there, I I don't see that being.
0:51:38.340 --> 0:51:42.500
Spetelunas, Corey
You're concerned that being said Appalachia is there?
0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:56.810
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm and I I do recognize even from a Google Street View or a Google aerial that there is and strong parking movement.
0:51:56.820 --> 0:52:1.580
Spetelunas, Corey
I guess if you will that parking lot is always false, so vehicle spill over to the the shoulder.
0:52:3.0 --> 0:52:9.900
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm so I don't know if that becomes the like an enforcement issue.
0:52:9.910 --> 0:52:10.310
Spetelunas, Corey
I don't know.
0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:12.620
Spetelunas, Corey
Parking is prohibited on that portion of Route 2.
0:52:13.770 --> 0:52:16.730
Spetelunas, Corey
I don't know if more parking needs to be created.
0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:20.310
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, but I'm.
0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:21.270
Spetelunas, Corey
I'm not gonna say no.
0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:28.820
Spetelunas, Corey
We can certainly look into it some more and have that that follow up, but there might be might be some other.
0:52:30.370 --> 0:52:36.840
Spetelunas, Corey
But improvements that can be made to to help address people parking on the road?
0:52:37.180 --> 0:53:1.540
Spetelunas, Corey
I guess umm, but as you mentioned Bill Kass, Commissioner DOT will will get that letter and I did notice that that particular concern was noted back in 2020 and we can certainly discussed that further and it'll happen before this project hits the road and we'll have plenty of time to to make any changes if if it goes that way.
0:53:1.550 --> 0:53:8.730
Spetelunas, Corey
You can certainly involve you and all those discussions, umm, as the one that's I apologize.
0:53:10.80 --> 0:53:11.140
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm Paul.
0:53:11.180 --> 0:53:12.630
Spetelunas, Corey
It's like a Jordan next.
0:53:13.0 --> 0:53:15.690
Spetelunas, Corey
Your Mike is it will be turned on.
0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:26.10
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Corey, sorry.
0:53:26.20 --> 0:53:26.790
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
This is Amanda.
0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.600
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Just so you know, there's also some questions in the chat.
0:53:30.500 --> 0:53:33.720
Spetelunas, Corey
Yep, I'll double back to those in just a moment.
0:53:36.380 --> 0:53:36.610
Spetelunas, Corey
All.
0:53:36.620 --> 0:53:41.30
Spetelunas, Corey
Did you movie question you wanted to turn your mic on to ask?
0:53:47.310 --> 0:53:48.770
Spetelunas, Corey
Or you could type it in the chat anyway.
0:53:50.490 --> 0:53:51.330
Spetelunas, Corey
If you like start working.
0:53:56.750 --> 0:53:58.40
Spetelunas, Corey
They backtrack a little.
0:53:58.330 --> 0:54:0.120
Spetelunas, Corey
Look at some chat questions here.
0:54:0.130 --> 0:54:2.660
Spetelunas, Corey
In the meantime, uh, OK.
0:54:2.670 --> 0:54:3.480
Spetelunas, Corey
So Lori asked.
0:54:3.490 --> 0:54:4.660
Spetelunas, Corey
It's also very dark at night.
0:54:4.670 --> 0:54:9.190
Spetelunas, Corey
Along route 2IN, Randolph has lights or additional reflectors been considered as well.
0:54:10.670 --> 0:54:12.590
Spetelunas, Corey
Lights. No.
0:54:14.970 --> 0:54:22.590
Spetelunas, Corey
Only because there was there was an effort several years ago to actually, umm, contradictory enough remove lights.
0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:29.810
Spetelunas, Corey
That's they weren't that, umm, specific locations like intersections or pedestrian crossings or such.
0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:36.270
Spetelunas, Corey
So I can't imagine it's putting bites on Route 2 for this purpose.
0:54:37.80 --> 0:54:37.630
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, hum.
0:54:37.710 --> 0:54:41.110
Spetelunas, Corey
But reflectors, and although they aren't included in this project.
0:54:42.580 --> 0:54:43.750
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm could be used.
0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:54.300
Spetelunas, Corey
We've we've looked at larger delineators, which are the kind of roadside posts with the little 2 by 4 yellow.
0:54:54.700 --> 0:55:9.60
Spetelunas, Corey
Well, maybe white in this case, white reflector placard thing that you'll and at night you'll you'll have the headlights bounce off that and kind of I'm doing it.
0:55:10.110 --> 0:55:19.520
Spetelunas, Corey
Hoping that the edge of the road we looked at putting larger versions of those out to to help and and those are pretty effective too.
0:55:20.70 --> 0:55:32.70
Spetelunas, Corey
Not to the degree of rumble strips, but that's that's certainly something that could be looked at in in addition to or especially where the road doesn't qualify for rumble strips.
0:55:35.40 --> 0:55:40.830
Spetelunas, Corey
Current asked if we have an estimate for reduction of crashes and fatalities, and Randolph informal steps are installed.
0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:52.220
Spetelunas, Corey
I have not done the math that highway safety manual umm noted earlier, and we could look at that and see what that is.
0:55:52.230 --> 0:55:55.140
Spetelunas, Corey
That would be an interesting observation.
0:55:55.150 --> 0:55:57.50
Spetelunas, Corey
I would expect to be pretty similar.
0:55:58.160 --> 0:55:58.930
Spetelunas, Corey
We also have the.
0:56:1.0 --> 0:56:2.130
Spetelunas, Corey
Passing my let me keyboard.
0:56:6.430 --> 0:56:21.850
Spetelunas, Corey
The crash reduction factors here that I mentioned, so I would I would expect that a lot of those numbers would reflect, you know about a 50% reduction in head on crashes, which again were not in that crash information that we looked at earlier.
0:56:23.980 --> 0:56:28.450
Spetelunas, Corey
But it would be more applicable even if we took an average of, say, 30% or so.
0:56:32.370 --> 0:56:33.120
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So carried.
0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:33.610
Spetelunas, Corey
That would expect those numbers to go down about 30%, but I could, yeah.
0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:36.860
Spetelunas, Corey
Who?
0:56:34.290 --> 0:56:40.480
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Sorry, I did some quick math on the Wakefield data that you showed the foreign after.
0:56:39.80 --> 0:56:41.140
Spetelunas, Corey
Uh-huh. Yeah.
0:56:41.170 --> 0:56:43.860
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So it looks like they're reduction there was 45%.
0:56:45.0 --> 0:56:45.280
Spetelunas, Corey
OK.
0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:53.880
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So that would be your 2nd 13 to 4051% single vehicle roadway departure.
0:56:53.820 --> 0:57:5.810
Spetelunas, Corey
But beyond the highland and with Randolph having such a high percentage of their crashes being a run off the road, I could I could see that being on the higher end of this this range.
0:57:8.160 --> 0:57:10.950
Spetelunas, Corey
I'm still pausing on the yeah.
0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:18.780
Spetelunas, Corey
Mark, how did the mumble strips affect snow plow and driving?
0:57:18.790 --> 0:57:22.240
Spetelunas, Corey
And inclement weather, in short, they they shun it.
0:57:23.410 --> 0:57:26.820
Spetelunas, Corey
The plows the the so rumble strips.
0:57:26.830 --> 0:57:38.340
Spetelunas, Corey
Conventional ones are kind of, you know, the slide are, uh, fully recessed, mild in snow, piles of black right over the top.
0:57:38.900 --> 0:57:41.910
Spetelunas, Corey
The Sinusoidal's are also fully recessed.
0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:50.620
Spetelunas, Corey
Even those top parts of the leave that this level of sitting on are actually recessed.
0:57:51.170 --> 0:57:52.550
Spetelunas, Corey
Just the smallest little bit.
0:57:54.810 --> 0:58:1.760
Spetelunas, Corey
Which kind of reinforces the pavement marking longevity that we're hoping to achieve a little bit.
0:58:2.540 --> 0:58:2.750
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
0:58:2.760 --> 0:58:7.310
Spetelunas, Corey
As well as adding some of that extra visibility because they they aren't being scraped up by the blouse.
0:58:9.670 --> 0:58:10.710
Spetelunas, Corey
There really hasn't been any.
0:58:12.750 --> 0:58:21.280
Spetelunas, Corey
Any solid indication that these get like hidden under snow or or rain gets stuck in them.
0:58:21.350 --> 0:58:28.10
Spetelunas, Corey
You know the water, so the visibility should be you know just like a normal normal paper marking.
0:58:28.910 --> 0:58:32.950
Spetelunas, Corey
Umm so that that might kind of address your inclement weather there.
0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:40.190
Spetelunas, Corey
There'll be, admittedly there'd be a little bit harder to feel in like a a heavy of snow.
0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:42.510
Spetelunas, Corey
You know that dumb snow?
0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:42.900
Spetelunas, Corey
Kind of deal.
0:58:44.860 --> 0:58:46.330
Spetelunas, Corey
But so would normal rumble strips.
0:58:46.780 --> 0:58:49.190
Spetelunas, Corey
I've I've driven on 202.
0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:56.250
Spetelunas, Corey
I used to commute on 202 back and forth to work and the rumble strips were essentially how I knew where my lane was.
0:58:57.420 --> 0:59:1.860
Spetelunas, Corey
So this would be fairly similar manager or something.
0:59:1.870 --> 0:59:2.750
Spetelunas, Corey
Now to add in there.
0:59:4.630 --> 0:59:5.20
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
I didn't.
0:59:7.220 --> 0:59:7.420
Spetelunas, Corey
OK.
0:59:5.30 --> 0:59:14.290
Zatecka, AmandaJoe
You just covered it with 202, so I I've had similar experiences having to commute on 28 every day with sinusoidal rumble strips.
0:59:17.340 --> 0:59:20.370
Spetelunas, Corey
So June asked about the NEPA review for this.
0:59:21.500 --> 0:59:29.510
Spetelunas, Corey
So this was originally part of, which is why some other DOT representatives were here in 2020.
0:59:29.600 --> 0:59:47.390
Spetelunas, Corey
Originally part of a another project that was installing rumble strips on 106 umm, so the NEPA process for anyone unfamiliar, that's the basically environmental process we have to go through to, you know, make sure we're not negatively impacting anything with our projects.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So this this project was looked at for.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I mean a lot.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Most of our work is within the pavement, so it was it was a pretty minimal effort, but making sure there were no sensitive areas or.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Sensitive creatures.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Stuff like that, that that would be impacted any cultural or historic, umm, sites, anything like that.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So that was I'm, I know environmental guru or expert by any stretch.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If you want a better answer than that, I can gladly reach out to someone that can explain it better than I just did.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, but the NEPA process was completed for this project and I can get you more information for that if if you'd like June.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Ohm project doesn't actually thought about that and.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Do you remember what this estimate is?
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Spetelunas, Corey
I've stopped your head, Amanda.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
I don't have it right in front of me, unfortunately.
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Spetelunas, Corey
They can get that for you with just one second.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Maybe.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
I was actually able to look up the crash reduction estimates for a stalling think additional delineators.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Of course, this is for a world that already didn't have one, and the crash reductions up 15%.
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Spetelunas, Corey
15 or 50.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So I think rumble strip?
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Yes, rumble strips would put us at more or equal to that.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Right.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So it's kind of a good point.
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Spetelunas, Corey
The crash reduction fact is that we were looking at aren't necessarily.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Additive.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So it's not like, you know, say you get 50% reduction from your head on crashes, then you add extra delineator posts that have the large placard on it.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You you don't get another 50%.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You know, it doesn't guarantee you no one's gonna run off the road, ever.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's going to be better, but it's it's by no stretch of the imagination additive.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Do you have so this project right now June is about $350,000?
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Spetelunas, Corey
Estimated.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, that's going to the the final price will depend on what the contractor comes back with.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Hopefully no one on here is a contractor and exploited me for that information, but I'm gonna.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm gonna trust you on that one.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Barbara and Bell's first responders.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We applied the insertion of rumble strips, the vast majority of accidents.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We have sprung it to both fatal and non fatal may have been prevented by the rebel strips.
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Spetelunas, Corey
This includes the motorcycle accident five years ago.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Wow, that's actually an excellent point, Bill.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And Barbara, thank you.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I I'm sure the wrong thing for my presentation.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I did actually want to mention that one and I don't have right now for that, but like that might have been off my screen a little bit, but that that incident that took out all those motorcycles and towards the Jefferson Randolph town line outside that motel near Valley Rd.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, several years ago, you know, was a centerline crossover, those fatalities.
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Spetelunas, Corey
And uh, those aren't captured in the information that we showed you earlier.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So you know that's I think what's seven people I believe died on that due to one person crossing the road.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm would rumbles just about?
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Spetelunas, Corey
Yeah, I I like to think hope so.
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Spetelunas, Corey
But there's also the knowledgement that you know, rumble strips aren't, umm, they're not gonna solve everything.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You know, if you're, uh, impaired and you know to beyond a certain degree you have medical event, you know, mechanical failure, type stuff.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's not gonna matter what's in the way, but the rumble strips will help.
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Spetelunas, Corey
For for everything else you know you're drowsy.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's it's gonna wake you up a little bit.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You're helping your kid in the back seat.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Ohh, I'm leaving my lane.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I need to stop this and two hands back on the wheel.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm yeah, those those are the the distractions that we can correct with the rumble strips.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, so in the side, many of the Jake breaks have modified exhaust.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm assuming that those.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm guessing are illegal.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I honestly don't know either way.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm but yeah, that would definitely be an enforcement issue.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Please describe introduces the design process for this project and the engineering visits in the area.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Amanda, do you want to kind of step through how you determine the locations for the rumble strips?
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Spetelunas, Corey
For this project.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Just.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So we basically do a review of our.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
It's called a van Data collection and we also do visit the site.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Umm to confirm things so for rumble strip insulation we are removing major driveways.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Intersection bridges areas that our.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Less than 40 mph.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
And the roadway width is 28 feet or less.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Umm.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
And in developing and finding these eligible areas, so we tended to be more conservative in the approach.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
And what I mean by this is, if we had an area that qualified for rumble strips, umm, and we weren't sure.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So in some of the areas, some of the shoulders are one side of the shoulder, like the left shoulder, maybe 6 feet, but the other shoulder may be 4 feet.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So in those areas, we're pretty conservative.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
We left out shoulder rumbles completely in those areas because we wanted to make sure again that we're providing for bicycles.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Umm, so we're also going to go out in the field and confirm the roadway W when we do the installation for driveways and intersections.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
We also take a look at exactly where uh vehicles are turning out to turn and we will leave those areas out so they won't have center line or shoulder rumble strips installed.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So that's basically our process.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We did.
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Spetelunas, Corey
June.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Just gonna follow up on that.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Amanda and I were relatively new to this project.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We specifically did not visit route to for the Rumble Strip.
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Spetelunas, Corey
He might have amended you.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Go.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Maybe I I did not.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
I have been to.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
I have been to visit US two, yes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
OK so I'm end has been up there.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I've been up on Route 2.
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Spetelunas, Corey
This many years ago, four or five years ago, at this point, for the replacement of the majority of the guardrail on Route 2, I was the lead project designer for that one.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So hold your tomatoes.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Please don't throw them.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm so I'm I'm very familiar with Ritu.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm standing on the side of the road and trucks whizzing by in your half, flying off your head, which is terrifying.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So I'm I'm familiar with Rutu was I looking at it in the context of rumble strips?
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Spetelunas, Corey
At the time, no, I will not tell you.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I was because I wasn't.
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Spetelunas, Corey
But we we are familiar with me too in, in that regard, can we remove rumble strips with two entrances to Durand Rd?
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Spetelunas, Corey
Up probably.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I don't recall it.
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Spetelunas, Corey
That'd be my guess.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
I think June is she might be referring to the interceptions and if it's an intercept one then that wouldn't be included in installation and that might not be visible from the map.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Yeah, I think there is a.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
That's kind of a difficult scale.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I think there is a break and then that would be something that we would look at more in the field when we go out to lay them out, if we notice something like that and the plans happen to go right through it with no break, we would we would add a break so that there wasn't that that's in the incidental rumble strip run overs I guess and and creating noise that that doesn't need to be there.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's not.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's not life saving noise, it's just that's that's the nuisance noise that we don't wanna perpetuate.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Correct.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, mark.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Noted in Appalachia has two plus spots in addition to all the pilots with cars.
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Spetelunas, Corey
When did this count as a space?
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Spetelunas, Corey
So we actually did look at that real quick mark and it it may, it may turn out where, Umm, Appalachia might not get rumble strips in the immediate area of the driveways, entrances, bullets.
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Spetelunas, Corey
What everyone call him, so that that's something we'd have to look at when we go out there.
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Spetelunas, Corey
But I I could absolutely see that that stretch of however many 100 feet it is getting getting pulled out.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
I think definitely for shoulder rumble strips.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
If they're proposed there, we would look at pulling them out.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Yeah, shoulder would be more competent in center line.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I could go.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Yeah, we'd have to visit again and and see what's happening again.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You're.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Yeah, but plays into that.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So I appreciate it. Umm.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
I would say in addition to I forgot to bring this up, but then addition to visiting the site, these are areas in Randolph and Jefferson especially, and Shelburne that just got paid the recently.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So we work hand in hand with our.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Pavement design section and they actually had really good data of roadway with his shoulder was from that area because those projects were just completed.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
So we also touched base with them to confirm our numbers.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Thanks, Amanda.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I think we went through all of the chat comments.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Paul, did you have?
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Spetelunas, Corey
I don't think I saw your question in chat, but your hand is hanging out up there.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I don't know if you had a question that we could talk about.
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Spetelunas, Corey
What?
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Spetelunas, Corey
We're still on the call, so I messed up and so.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, so probably not, but that.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So there is.
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Spetelunas, Corey
No more questions for this particular meeting.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, I'll put my contact info back up here.
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Spetelunas, Corey
It's not.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I think everyone for coming out, coming out.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Yeah, attending.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I guess we'll we'll go with that.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We'll pause.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Hands up again, Paul, you're able to unmute your microphone if you'd like to ask a question or you could type it in the chat.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Baby.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Uh, my contact info is on the screen.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If you want to call or email, I'd be more than happy to discuss any of these.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Further, I know the Appalachian segment is is particularly I'm a high point on land off radar.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So I I don't mind discussing that further, I'd be happy to do that.
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Spetelunas, Corey
We can get some other, uh.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Interested.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Relevant parties involved to to come to the proper decision there.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm so just wanna make sure we're not you.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You don't leave this thinking that the departments you know wasted our time and and pulled the wool over eyes get deal because we we do want your input.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I apologize for how late this is in the process.
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Spetelunas, Corey
But I I I do appreciate the input that we've gotten so far.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm, all admitted here to type this question but.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If if there's any lingering issues or additional questions.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Concerns you thought felt might have gone unresolved.
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Spetelunas, Corey
They're free to get in touch with me and then we can talk through it.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Also, as I mentioned, the presentation will be on the website.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Hopefully tomorrow.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Umm.
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Spetelunas, Corey
If there's other people that weren't able to attend, feel free to share with them.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There is a Shelburne meeting.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Most of this will be very largely the same information next week on Wednesday, trying to pop Wednesday at their town hall.
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Spetelunas, Corey
No, no.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You're mics enabled, Paul.
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Spetelunas, Corey
There's a mic button up near the top right that you might just have to Click to turn your mic mic on if you have one.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So if anyone's interested in that Shelburne meeting, that that is also noted on the website now, you're more than welcome.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Presumably we won't get flooded out and and have to spill into the hallway or outside or something.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Hopefully so be happy to discuss any additional concerns at that point if if that's easier.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I'm trying to get all the thing we're gonna disable.
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Spetelunas, Corey
You again my mic.
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Spetelunas, Corey
All that should give you the ability to turn your mic on using the MIC button on the top of the Microsoft Teams screen.
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Spetelunas, Corey
I can't physically turn your microphone on the North Shore.
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Spetelunas, Corey
So I I don't mind taking out a minute to Paul if you wanna type out your question.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Anyone else's more than welcome to stick around too.
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Spetelunas, Corey
That that's the only information I have for you and follow up with me if you have any additional questions, concerns, comments.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Appreciate it.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Thank you everyone.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Paul left.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Yeah.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Thank you.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Great help, Amanda.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
You're very welcome.
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Spetelunas, Corey
Have a good night everyone.
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Zatecka, AmandaJoe
Night.